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		<title>By: Mark Frankel</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387777</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Frankel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, yes it&#039;s up to each of us to allocate our time, which makes sense since we each face a different environment and set of challenges.

Finding your own path applies to so many areas in Judaism. A path is defined, yet it is wide enough that there is more that one route on that path. 

As far as Beyond BT, there is certainly Torah learning, chizuk, inspiration and lots of Chesed involved, so please stick around. In terms of overall Web surfing, we each need to decide what is necessary and what can be cut down. And we all know how cunning the Yetzer Hara is in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, yes it&#8217;s up to each of us to allocate our time, which makes sense since we each face a different environment and set of challenges.</p>
<p>Finding your own path applies to so many areas in Judaism. A path is defined, yet it is wide enough that there is more that one route on that path. </p>
<p>As far as Beyond BT, there is certainly Torah learning, chizuk, inspiration and lots of Chesed involved, so please stick around. In terms of overall Web surfing, we each need to decide what is necessary and what can be cut down. And we all know how cunning the Yetzer Hara is in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Albany Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albany Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

So basically it is up to the individual to create a good mix, with emphasis on increasing learning time? (are you also telling me to get off your website and learn a little more? :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>So basically it is up to the individual to create a good mix, with emphasis on increasing learning time? (are you also telling me to get off your website and learn a little more? :))</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frankel</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387759</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Frankel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AC, I talked to a number of people about this on Shabbos and Sunday include Rabbi Welcher. Here are my findings:

1) Torah, Service, Tefillah, Parnasa, Children and leisure activities are all important and each person needs to work on the proper mix of time allocation depending on their situation.

2) Almost everybody can add to the time allocated to learning. The best way to proceed is to increase it in small increments like 5-10 minutes a day and to make set times for learning (kovaya itim).

3) Leisure activities like newspapers, tv, movies, web surfing, etc.. can usually be reduced to allow more time for learning. We have to be honest as to how much we really need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AC, I talked to a number of people about this on Shabbos and Sunday include Rabbi Welcher. Here are my findings:</p>
<p>1) Torah, Service, Tefillah, Parnasa, Children and leisure activities are all important and each person needs to work on the proper mix of time allocation depending on their situation.</p>
<p>2) Almost everybody can add to the time allocated to learning. The best way to proceed is to increase it in small increments like 5-10 minutes a day and to make set times for learning (kovaya itim).</p>
<p>3) Leisure activities like newspapers, tv, movies, web surfing, etc.. can usually be reduced to allow more time for learning. We have to be honest as to how much we really need.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387673</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The men in my community find some very clever ways to fit maximum Torah into minimum time.  For more than eight years, there has been a daily shiur on the Long Island Rail Road.  The LIRR gave permission and so the guys run after davening to catch the commuter train, knowing that the shiur is held in the next-to-last car.  They actually made a Siyum on Gantz Shas (this during time that normally would be wasted on reading a newspaper).

  Other men wake up really early and attend shiurim at 4:30 AM and 5:30 AM before the first morning minyan.  

My husband continues to learn with Rabbi Avigdor Miller even though Rav Miller was niftar more than eight years ago.  He has a whole box of tapes from Rabbi Miller&#039;s Gemara lectures.  My husband puts a tape in the tape recorder, plugs in the earphones, takes out his Gemara and his thin pencil, and learns with his beloved Rebbe once again.  This can be done at any time of day or night, even on lunch hour or while riding on commuter transit.  

Don&#039;t forget that after 120 years, the Aibershter asks us, &quot;Were you kovaya ittim (did you make regular time periods for Torah study)?&quot;  The question is not whether we learned Shas a dozen times, it&#039;s whether we cleared our busy schedules and appointment calendars and set aside regular periods in our lives for learning Torah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The men in my community find some very clever ways to fit maximum Torah into minimum time.  For more than eight years, there has been a daily shiur on the Long Island Rail Road.  The LIRR gave permission and so the guys run after davening to catch the commuter train, knowing that the shiur is held in the next-to-last car.  They actually made a Siyum on Gantz Shas (this during time that normally would be wasted on reading a newspaper).</p>
<p>  Other men wake up really early and attend shiurim at 4:30 AM and 5:30 AM before the first morning minyan.  </p>
<p>My husband continues to learn with Rabbi Avigdor Miller even though Rav Miller was niftar more than eight years ago.  He has a whole box of tapes from Rabbi Miller&#8217;s Gemara lectures.  My husband puts a tape in the tape recorder, plugs in the earphones, takes out his Gemara and his thin pencil, and learns with his beloved Rebbe once again.  This can be done at any time of day or night, even on lunch hour or while riding on commuter transit.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that after 120 years, the Aibershter asks us, &#8220;Were you kovaya ittim (did you make regular time periods for Torah study)?&#8221;  The question is not whether we learned Shas a dozen times, it&#8217;s whether we cleared our busy schedules and appointment calendars and set aside regular periods in our lives for learning Torah.</p>
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		<title>By: Albany Jew</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387483</link>
		<dc:creator>Albany Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone&#039;s time is finite, and there is infinite Torah to learn. Is there a source where there is a list of priorities (and percentages?)

Here are some examples:

1) Learning Torah
2) Parnasa
3) Community service (chevra kadisha, visiting sick, preparing for guests, etc.)
4) Teaching ones children
5) Tefillah
6) You name it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone&#8217;s time is finite, and there is infinite Torah to learn. Is there a source where there is a list of priorities (and percentages?)</p>
<p>Here are some examples:</p>
<p>1) Learning Torah<br />
2) Parnasa<br />
3) Community service (chevra kadisha, visiting sick, preparing for guests, etc.)<br />
4) Teaching ones children<br />
5) Tefillah<br />
6) You name it</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frankel</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387464</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Frankel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJ, I just Googled for your article &quot;Where Has All the Ameilus Gone&quot; and Google responded &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=Where+Has+All+the+Ameilus+Gone&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Did you mean: Where Has All the Emails Gone&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. Hmmm.

Nathan, perhaps you can apply Rabbi Yisroel Salanter&#039;s answer to the question of:
 
&quot;I only have 10 minutes to learn, what should I learn?&quot;, 

to which he replied:

&quot;Learn mussar (character development) and then you&#039;ll find that you have more the 10 minutes. to learn.&quot; 

The reality is that many/most people face this problem and a possible path to a solution is:

1) Work on internalizing the belief that Torah learning is the root of all our spiritual growth

2) Realize that your Torah learning is the must valuable activity you can perform

3) Gradually work more Torah learning and deeper Torah learning into your schedule</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ, I just Googled for your article &#8220;Where Has All the Ameilus Gone&#8221; and Google responded <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Where+Has+All+the+Ameilus+Gone&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Did you mean: Where Has All the Emails Gone&#8221;</a>. Hmmm.</p>
<p>Nathan, perhaps you can apply Rabbi Yisroel Salanter&#8217;s answer to the question of:</p>
<p>&#8220;I only have 10 minutes to learn, what should I learn?&#8221;, </p>
<p>to which he replied:</p>
<p>&#8220;Learn mussar (character development) and then you&#8217;ll find that you have more the 10 minutes. to learn.&#8221; </p>
<p>The reality is that many/most people face this problem and a possible path to a solution is:</p>
<p>1) Work on internalizing the belief that Torah learning is the root of all our spiritual growth</p>
<p>2) Realize that your Torah learning is the must valuable activity you can perform</p>
<p>3) Gradually work more Torah learning and deeper Torah learning into your schedule</p>
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		<title>By: YB</title>
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		<dc:creator>YB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just something you might find interesting- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.torahimderecheretz.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.torahimderecheretz.org&lt;/a&gt;
I like the Choshen Mishpat section</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just something you might find interesting- <a href="http://www.torahimderecheretz.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.torahimderecheretz.org</a><br />
I like the Choshen Mishpat section</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Brizel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Brizel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan-One has to maximize one&#039;s spare time-for commuters, tapes and MP3 downloads are an excellent way to learn. Learning even a short time every day is better than letting a library collect dust.  I second Mark&#039;s POV. Parsha sheets and the like should whet one&#039;s appetite, but never serve as a substitute for Ameilus BaTorah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan-One has to maximize one&#8217;s spare time-for commuters, tapes and MP3 downloads are an excellent way to learn. Learning even a short time every day is better than letting a library collect dust.  I second Mark&#8217;s POV. Parsha sheets and the like should whet one&#8217;s appetite, but never serve as a substitute for Ameilus BaTorah.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387407</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

I do commute, work late Mon-Thurs, and do the other activities you mentioned, but have time at night to study Torah.  Not the deepest study, but study it is.  Grab what you can when you can!  If you commute and are not driving, that time can also be put to use.  Some people are also able to play Torah study or lecture tapes while driving, but this could be an unsafe distraction for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>I do commute, work late Mon-Thurs, and do the other activities you mentioned, but have time at night to study Torah.  Not the deepest study, but study it is.  Grab what you can when you can!  If you commute and are not driving, that time can also be put to use.  Some people are also able to play Torah study or lecture tapes while driving, but this could be an unsafe distraction for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Orthodox Jews work very hard at their jobs, and most work to accumulate overtime from Monday to Thursday, so they can leave early on Fridays and not come to work on Yom Tov.

Between work, commuting time. prayer times, shopping, paying bills, laundry, cooking, there is little time and even less energy to study Torah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Orthodox Jews work very hard at their jobs, and most work to accumulate overtime from Monday to Thursday, so they can leave early on Fridays and not come to work on Yom Tov.</p>
<p>Between work, commuting time. prayer times, shopping, paying bills, laundry, cooking, there is little time and even less energy to study Torah.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordechai Y. Scher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordechai Y. Scher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nehama Leibowitz would be proud.  She actually objected when asked to publish her &#039;New Studies&#039; with answers and directions to the questions.  In her original gilyonot she presented text and challenging questions, and then left the participant to sweat it out and await answers later.

Undoubtedly, her dictum was that the attainment in learning was proportional to the &#039;brain pain&#039; invested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nehama Leibowitz would be proud.  She actually objected when asked to publish her &#8216;New Studies&#8217; with answers and directions to the questions.  In her original gilyonot she presented text and challenging questions, and then left the participant to sweat it out and await answers later.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly, her dictum was that the attainment in learning was proportional to the &#8216;brain pain&#8217; invested.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Srullowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Srullowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasher Koach, Mark, for raising a critical issue. I make a similar point in my essay &quot;Where Has All the Ameilus Gone?&quot; I love, love, love that phrase &quot;email-us Torah.&quot; I am beyond envious that I didn&#039;t think of it myself. I will use it and credit your friend via you.

FYI: the verb form of ameilus is &quot;ameil,&quot; as in &quot;We need to be ameil baTorah...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasher Koach, Mark, for raising a critical issue. I make a similar point in my essay &#8220;Where Has All the Ameilus Gone?&#8221; I love, love, love that phrase &#8220;email-us Torah.&#8221; I am beyond envious that I didn&#8217;t think of it myself. I will use it and credit your friend via you.</p>
<p>FYI: the verb form of ameilus is &#8220;ameil,&#8221; as in &#8220;We need to be ameil baTorah&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/11/ameilus-btorah-vs-email-us-the-torah/comment-page-1/#comment-387383</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also had the Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (purple) chumash suggested an acceptable translation with explanation for this purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also had the Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (purple) chumash suggested an acceptable translation with explanation for this purpose.</p>
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