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		<title>By: Judy Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/04/any-advice-on-spending-shabbos-at-non-frum-family/comment-page-1/#comment-389101</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nu, I&#039;m bursting with curiosity.  How did it all work out for you and your family?  Tell us, let us know, we&#039;re your support team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu, I&#8217;m bursting with curiosity.  How did it all work out for you and your family?  Tell us, let us know, we&#8217;re your support team.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/04/any-advice-on-spending-shabbos-at-non-frum-family/comment-page-1/#comment-388684</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, this is the big week, T-day minus one!  Please let all of us know how it worked out.  Best wishes for you, your wife, your children and your wife&#039;s parents to have a fantastic time spent together, with much love and happiness and hugs for the grandchildren.  Have a wonderful Shabbos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this is the big week, T-day minus one!  Please let all of us know how it worked out.  Best wishes for you, your wife, your children and your wife&#8217;s parents to have a fantastic time spent together, with much love and happiness and hugs for the grandchildren.  Have a wonderful Shabbos!</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/04/any-advice-on-spending-shabbos-at-non-frum-family/comment-page-1/#comment-387298</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a possible suggestion: Maybe you could go to your in-laws on Wednesday right after work and sleep over that night, so that you spend Wednesday evening and Thursday morning with them as well.  Eat an amazing kosher Thanksgiving dinner together, sleep over again Thursday night, then leave early Friday morning with kisses and hugs.  Your wife will get her wish to spend Shabbos at home, and your in-laws will get plenty of quality time with the grandchildren.  You, Mr. Guest, will be a hero to everyone for accommodating everyone&#039;s preferences with a smile.  If the in-laws still did not get enough of the cute grandkids, well Shabbos ends quite early and you can then decide if you want to bundle the children into the car dressed in their pajamas and sleep over on Saturday night to Sunday morning.  Is there a possibility of getting advance permission to arrive late to work on Monday morning following the long holiday weekend?  If so, then maybe another sleepover from Sunday night to Monday, with a final goodbye between loving grandparents and delicious grandchildren early Monday morning.  As you state, with your child having to attend school half a day on Thurs and Fri starting next year, this is really the &quot;last chance&quot; for the grandparents to fully enjoy an extended Thanksgiving holiday with their grandchildren. As long as everyone approaches this situation wanting to make it work, there&#039;s no reason why it shouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a possible suggestion: Maybe you could go to your in-laws on Wednesday right after work and sleep over that night, so that you spend Wednesday evening and Thursday morning with them as well.  Eat an amazing kosher Thanksgiving dinner together, sleep over again Thursday night, then leave early Friday morning with kisses and hugs.  Your wife will get her wish to spend Shabbos at home, and your in-laws will get plenty of quality time with the grandchildren.  You, Mr. Guest, will be a hero to everyone for accommodating everyone&#8217;s preferences with a smile.  If the in-laws still did not get enough of the cute grandkids, well Shabbos ends quite early and you can then decide if you want to bundle the children into the car dressed in their pajamas and sleep over on Saturday night to Sunday morning.  Is there a possibility of getting advance permission to arrive late to work on Monday morning following the long holiday weekend?  If so, then maybe another sleepover from Sunday night to Monday, with a final goodbye between loving grandparents and delicious grandchildren early Monday morning.  As you state, with your child having to attend school half a day on Thurs and Fri starting next year, this is really the &#8220;last chance&#8221; for the grandparents to fully enjoy an extended Thanksgiving holiday with their grandchildren. As long as everyone approaches this situation wanting to make it work, there&#8217;s no reason why it shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not have the time to read through the other thoughtful postings on this, so someone may have suggested this.  I cannot stress  this point enough: Do as much as you can to not let them know what you need.  The more unassuming you are about how things should be done, the more pleasant and long lasting positive feelings will be engendered. The most important thing they should see is how your family gets along, sings, dances,and how every-body has the warm fuzzies about what they do.  If you happen to drop a nice little, short idea about Shabbos once- that would be nice, but just from your own perspective.  They should feel this so unimposing on them that they can&#039;t believe how beautiful it was.

Please let us know how it went.  Hatzlocho Rabo.  You have the opportunity to make a wonderful Kiddush Hashem. Also, enjoy the time together because I did see how someone said they would give anything to have their family together again.  I couldn&#039;t agree more. 

Oh, and make sure you bring the most amazing kosher turkey or stuffing or cranberry sauce or carrot cake.  That&#039;s the icing on the cake! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not have the time to read through the other thoughtful postings on this, so someone may have suggested this.  I cannot stress  this point enough: Do as much as you can to not let them know what you need.  The more unassuming you are about how things should be done, the more pleasant and long lasting positive feelings will be engendered. The most important thing they should see is how your family gets along, sings, dances,and how every-body has the warm fuzzies about what they do.  If you happen to drop a nice little, short idea about Shabbos once- that would be nice, but just from your own perspective.  They should feel this so unimposing on them that they can&#8217;t believe how beautiful it was.</p>
<p>Please let us know how it went.  Hatzlocho Rabo.  You have the opportunity to make a wonderful Kiddush Hashem. Also, enjoy the time together because I did see how someone said they would give anything to have their family together again.  I couldn&#8217;t agree more. </p>
<p>Oh, and make sure you bring the most amazing kosher turkey or stuffing or cranberry sauce or carrot cake.  That&#8217;s the icing on the cake! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have you asked the ILs if they have a preference to you leaving Friday vs. coming back after Shabbos?&quot;
My in-laws would prefer that we spend Shabbos in the local community and then come back for motzai Shabbos and Sunday, &#039;cuz that way they get to see the kids more, but my wife wants to go home.  In the future we might go the community for Shabbos since my son will have a half day of school on Thanskgiving and Friday, so we could go Friday after school and then see the IL motzai Shabbos/Sunday.  Alternating T-days in the future won&#039;t work beacause as I mentioned, starting next year my son has a half day of school on Thanksgiving and the next day. So we will be home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have you asked the ILs if they have a preference to you leaving Friday vs. coming back after Shabbos?&#8221;<br />
My in-laws would prefer that we spend Shabbos in the local community and then come back for motzai Shabbos and Sunday, &#8216;cuz that way they get to see the kids more, but my wife wants to go home.  In the future we might go the community for Shabbos since my son will have a half day of school on Thanskgiving and Friday, so we could go Friday after school and then see the IL motzai Shabbos/Sunday.  Alternating T-days in the future won&#8217;t work beacause as I mentioned, starting next year my son has a half day of school on Thanksgiving and the next day. So we will be home.</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my oldest was 1 we did the stay at strangers&#039; house near a shul thing, except the community was a Chabad, the Rabbi&#039;s guest space was taken by visiting family and we got to borrow a congregant&#039;s empty house, being told to not use the keilim or warm anything except double-wrapped in the oven before Shabbos.

It was all a bit crazy, and I was home with the baby all day while DH walked 1 mile plus to shul and back after plus davening, but we went back after havdala to peace, instead of the grouchiness on both sides that would have occurred if we had stayed over Shabbos.

Maybe not as easy if you&#039;ve stayed at their house before.  Have you called the local shul about accomodations?  Have you asked the ILs if they have a preference to you leaving Friday vs. coming back after Shabbos?

I definitely agree that you don&#039;t want kids in the position of &quot;hating&quot; Shabbos and the grandparents possibly enticing them towards problematic pastimes.  Maybe swapping T-day by them and by you alternate years would work?

When I was a kid, we had 3 family homes that swapped off hosting to equalize the traveling vs. cooking work.  Just because.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my oldest was 1 we did the stay at strangers&#8217; house near a shul thing, except the community was a Chabad, the Rabbi&#8217;s guest space was taken by visiting family and we got to borrow a congregant&#8217;s empty house, being told to not use the keilim or warm anything except double-wrapped in the oven before Shabbos.</p>
<p>It was all a bit crazy, and I was home with the baby all day while DH walked 1 mile plus to shul and back after plus davening, but we went back after havdala to peace, instead of the grouchiness on both sides that would have occurred if we had stayed over Shabbos.</p>
<p>Maybe not as easy if you&#8217;ve stayed at their house before.  Have you called the local shul about accomodations?  Have you asked the ILs if they have a preference to you leaving Friday vs. coming back after Shabbos?</p>
<p>I definitely agree that you don&#8217;t want kids in the position of &#8220;hating&#8221; Shabbos and the grandparents possibly enticing them towards problematic pastimes.  Maybe swapping T-day by them and by you alternate years would work?</p>
<p>When I was a kid, we had 3 family homes that swapped off hosting to equalize the traveling vs. cooking work.  Just because.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some general thoughts about Shabbat at non-frum homes. I have done some of these things, and would do others in future opportunities.

The refrigerator light has been mentioned in several comments. That should not be a problem. Bring some packing tape and tape down the switch. After Shabbat, remove the tape and wash off the glue. I do that every week in my own home.

Bring a few Shabbat timers, a few nightlights and maybe a small lamp or two.

If you are worried about the relatives tampering with the crockpot, you can live without cholent. Check with your rav about the use of Shabbat hotplates (plata) and timers on the hotplate, and bring one of those with you to warm other foods. If that&#039;s not an option, bring meat or some  other foods for sandwiches. Bring plenty of pastries from home to bribe all concerned.

Everyone at some point spends Shabbat in a place where shul is not accessible and there is no eruv. Often this is during trying circumstances. It is best for kids to learn how to adapt to such a situation in a pleasant atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some general thoughts about Shabbat at non-frum homes. I have done some of these things, and would do others in future opportunities.</p>
<p>The refrigerator light has been mentioned in several comments. That should not be a problem. Bring some packing tape and tape down the switch. After Shabbat, remove the tape and wash off the glue. I do that every week in my own home.</p>
<p>Bring a few Shabbat timers, a few nightlights and maybe a small lamp or two.</p>
<p>If you are worried about the relatives tampering with the crockpot, you can live without cholent. Check with your rav about the use of Shabbat hotplates (plata) and timers on the hotplate, and bring one of those with you to warm other foods. If that&#8217;s not an option, bring meat or some  other foods for sandwiches. Bring plenty of pastries from home to bribe all concerned.</p>
<p>Everyone at some point spends Shabbat in a place where shul is not accessible and there is no eruv. Often this is during trying circumstances. It is best for kids to learn how to adapt to such a situation in a pleasant atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/11/04/any-advice-on-spending-shabbos-at-non-frum-family/comment-page-1/#comment-387051</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that your idea of &quot;in the future&quot; spending Shabbos itself by strangers in the same city, then returning for motzaei Shabbos and Sunday, is great.  Why not implement it this year 2009 instead of waiting for next year 2010?  Tell you the truth, even the most devoted family members get annoying over four days (as I found out the hard way over a rainy Yom Tov and Shabbos combination).  Leaving your in-laws on Friday afternoon but returning at seven on Saturday night might actually give everyone a much-needed break from each other.  And let&#039;s face it, if your in-laws are strictly Kosher but not frum, they might prefer to not host you for Shabbos for many big and little reasons (example: do they have a light bulb in their refrigerator that goes on when the fridge door opens?)  The main thing is that everyone approaches the upcoming event with love and anticipation, not anxiety and trepidation.  Contact the shul you&#039;d like to daven in that Shabbos and find out if there&#039;s a family which can host you for that Shabbos.  Some families actually find it easier to host guests on that particular Shabbos since they&#039;re off from work on Thursday and Friday.  Good luck, and please report back next month on how it worked out for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that your idea of &#8220;in the future&#8221; spending Shabbos itself by strangers in the same city, then returning for motzaei Shabbos and Sunday, is great.  Why not implement it this year 2009 instead of waiting for next year 2010?  Tell you the truth, even the most devoted family members get annoying over four days (as I found out the hard way over a rainy Yom Tov and Shabbos combination).  Leaving your in-laws on Friday afternoon but returning at seven on Saturday night might actually give everyone a much-needed break from each other.  And let&#8217;s face it, if your in-laws are strictly Kosher but not frum, they might prefer to not host you for Shabbos for many big and little reasons (example: do they have a light bulb in their refrigerator that goes on when the fridge door opens?)  The main thing is that everyone approaches the upcoming event with love and anticipation, not anxiety and trepidation.  Contact the shul you&#8217;d like to daven in that Shabbos and find out if there&#8217;s a family which can host you for that Shabbos.  Some families actually find it easier to host guests on that particular Shabbos since they&#8217;re off from work on Thursday and Friday.  Good luck, and please report back next month on how it worked out for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordechai Y. Scher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordechai Y. Scher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add to my above (already too long) post that when we stayed at my parent&#039;s house, or my wife&#039;s, there was no opportunity to go to shul.  It was a sacrifice we consciously made.  I would take advantage of the opportunity to daven at my own pace alone out in the backyard, or some such.  A walk in the neighborhood or some meditative time on the beach was always good.  There often are compensations of a sort.

I think an interesting discussion by itself might be whether we have a different or weightier responsibility in something like &#039;honoring parents&#039;, given the potential for both positive and negative perspectives on Judaism resulting from our actions with family and old friends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add to my above (already too long) post that when we stayed at my parent&#8217;s house, or my wife&#8217;s, there was no opportunity to go to shul.  It was a sacrifice we consciously made.  I would take advantage of the opportunity to daven at my own pace alone out in the backyard, or some such.  A walk in the neighborhood or some meditative time on the beach was always good.  There often are compensations of a sort.</p>
<p>I think an interesting discussion by itself might be whether we have a different or weightier responsibility in something like &#8216;honoring parents&#8217;, given the potential for both positive and negative perspectives on Judaism resulting from our actions with family and old friends?</p>
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		<title>By: ChanaLeah</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChanaLeah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you prepare food for the &quot;Shabbos of Thanksgiving&quot; a week in advance, when you are cooking for the previous Shabbos, and freeze it, there won&#039;t be such a panic on erev Shabbos of Thanksgiving.  Although I have never had this situation, I think I would go home for Shabbos.  Sounds like the situation there is a little tense;  a nice day-long visit on Thursday and an overnight is probably enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you prepare food for the &#8220;Shabbos of Thanksgiving&#8221; a week in advance, when you are cooking for the previous Shabbos, and freeze it, there won&#8217;t be such a panic on erev Shabbos of Thanksgiving.  Although I have never had this situation, I think I would go home for Shabbos.  Sounds like the situation there is a little tense;  a nice day-long visit on Thursday and an overnight is probably enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordechai Y. Scher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordechai Y. Scher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With my family we have done all the options over the years, and they all worked.  Also with my wife&#039;s family, who aren&#039;t Jewish.  We didn&#039;t stress about it; we just did what seemed to work for that occasion.  The key thing is always to be flexible, not to have many demands, and be a bit adventurous.  It helps that we&#039;re old backpackers.  ;-)  It also helps to have some confidence in halachic matters, and to know what is really possible and acceptable.

We have flown in from Israel, and made Shabbat at parent&#039;s non-observant homes.  Also drove the three hours from Mass. to CT later on.  True, not my ideal atmosphere.  But now, almost ten years after my father&#039;s death, I still have wonderful memories of him sitting at the table which was cooperatively set by my mother and wife and hearing kiddush and make a motzi.  And we always took walks in the neighborhood, or took advantage of my parents&#039; library while there.  And when the children were with us, it was a tremendous opportunity in respect and love for family for them.

We have also rushed home for Shabbat.  A three hour drive back then.  The worst stress was &#039;what if an accident or weather keeps us from making it on time?&#039;  As for food and such, we planned it out before going to CT and kept it very simple.  Okay, so one Shabbat we won&#039;t have a gazillion courses on the table.  But that relaxing of the routine allowed us time with family with all the importance that has.

Nowadays, my mother lives in assisted living and it isn&#039;t very convenient for Shabbat, even though she has her own nice apartment.  So I stay there during the week.  If I am staying through Shabbat, then I go to someone else for Shabbat and return when Shabbat is over to have extra time with my mother.  She knows I keep Shabbat.  She knows it is important and inviolable to me.

So, all the options have worked for us.  Our parents know we keep Shabbat and kashrut, etc.  They know they can&#039;t expect us to alter that.  We, for our part, are a little flexible and give up some nonessentials in order to have time with family.  It requires some knowledge and flexibility.  Now, when my father is gone and the others are all quite old, I am very glad that we made the efforts and spent time with them and continue to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With my family we have done all the options over the years, and they all worked.  Also with my wife&#8217;s family, who aren&#8217;t Jewish.  We didn&#8217;t stress about it; we just did what seemed to work for that occasion.  The key thing is always to be flexible, not to have many demands, and be a bit adventurous.  It helps that we&#8217;re old backpackers.  ;-)  It also helps to have some confidence in halachic matters, and to know what is really possible and acceptable.</p>
<p>We have flown in from Israel, and made Shabbat at parent&#8217;s non-observant homes.  Also drove the three hours from Mass. to CT later on.  True, not my ideal atmosphere.  But now, almost ten years after my father&#8217;s death, I still have wonderful memories of him sitting at the table which was cooperatively set by my mother and wife and hearing kiddush and make a motzi.  And we always took walks in the neighborhood, or took advantage of my parents&#8217; library while there.  And when the children were with us, it was a tremendous opportunity in respect and love for family for them.</p>
<p>We have also rushed home for Shabbat.  A three hour drive back then.  The worst stress was &#8216;what if an accident or weather keeps us from making it on time?&#8217;  As for food and such, we planned it out before going to CT and kept it very simple.  Okay, so one Shabbat we won&#8217;t have a gazillion courses on the table.  But that relaxing of the routine allowed us time with family with all the importance that has.</p>
<p>Nowadays, my mother lives in assisted living and it isn&#8217;t very convenient for Shabbat, even though she has her own nice apartment.  So I stay there during the week.  If I am staying through Shabbat, then I go to someone else for Shabbat and return when Shabbat is over to have extra time with my mother.  She knows I keep Shabbat.  She knows it is important and inviolable to me.</p>
<p>So, all the options have worked for us.  Our parents know we keep Shabbat and kashrut, etc.  They know they can&#8217;t expect us to alter that.  We, for our part, are a little flexible and give up some nonessentials in order to have time with family.  It requires some knowledge and flexibility.  Now, when my father is gone and the others are all quite old, I am very glad that we made the efforts and spent time with them and continue to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to go to my (non shomer-shabbos) parents for shabbos when my children were small enough that it didn&#039;t matter.  But we haven&#039;t done that for years.  We used to go for thanksgiving and then rush home on Friday morning.  But now we just invite the whole extended family to our home for thanksgiving, and it needn&#039;t be phrased negatively.  That is, we don&#039;t say &quot;Mom and Dad, we don&#039;t want to be with you for shabbos so please come to our home for thanksgiving.&quot;  Instead, we plan well ahead of time and in the summer say &quot;Mom and Dad, we would love to have you come to our home for thanksgiving.   and if you&#039;d like to stay for shabbos we&#039;d love to have you.&quot;  That pretty much solves all the problems --no worries about kosher food, no worries about shabbos, no worries about offending anyone since we are inviting them.  This wouldn&#039;t work for someone who got a psak that they are forbidden to celebrate thanksgiving, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to go to my (non shomer-shabbos) parents for shabbos when my children were small enough that it didn&#8217;t matter.  But we haven&#8217;t done that for years.  We used to go for thanksgiving and then rush home on Friday morning.  But now we just invite the whole extended family to our home for thanksgiving, and it needn&#8217;t be phrased negatively.  That is, we don&#8217;t say &#8220;Mom and Dad, we don&#8217;t want to be with you for shabbos so please come to our home for thanksgiving.&#8221;  Instead, we plan well ahead of time and in the summer say &#8220;Mom and Dad, we would love to have you come to our home for thanksgiving.   and if you&#8217;d like to stay for shabbos we&#8217;d love to have you.&#8221;  That pretty much solves all the problems &#8211;no worries about kosher food, no worries about shabbos, no worries about offending anyone since we are inviting them.  This wouldn&#8217;t work for someone who got a psak that they are forbidden to celebrate thanksgiving, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Charnie&#039;s suggestion (#17), especially the last part:

&quot;How about bringing your in-laws home with you after your Thanksgiving feast under the guise of “we really want to spend more time with you – it means so much to the kids – and you’ve already done so much for Thanksgiving, let us do Shabbos…”. I’m sure that would be totally truthfull!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Charnie&#8217;s suggestion (#17), especially the last part:</p>
<p>&#8220;How about bringing your in-laws home with you after your Thanksgiving feast under the guise of “we really want to spend more time with you – it means so much to the kids – and you’ve already done so much for Thanksgiving, let us do Shabbos…”. I’m sure that would be totally truthfull!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: squarepeg613</title>
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		<dc:creator>squarepeg613</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you do, remember that your children are learning from you the proper way to behave to parents.  You model it to them.  Treat your parents or in-laws as you would want your children to treat you -- especially if they made different choices than you.  If you want them to feel that spending time with parents and grandparents (you, one day, G-d willing) is very important, then show them now how important it is.  

Yes, parents really can drive us nuts.  One day, we will presumably drive our children nuts.  (I have an adolescent, so actually I already do).  How would you want your children to relate to you in such a situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you do, remember that your children are learning from you the proper way to behave to parents.  You model it to them.  Treat your parents or in-laws as you would want your children to treat you &#8212; especially if they made different choices than you.  If you want them to feel that spending time with parents and grandparents (you, one day, G-d willing) is very important, then show them now how important it is.  </p>
<p>Yes, parents really can drive us nuts.  One day, we will presumably drive our children nuts.  (I have an adolescent, so actually I already do).  How would you want your children to relate to you in such a situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you invite your inlaws to you for Shabbat? Tell them that you want it to be a &quot;family&quot; weekend and that its easier if you host them. That way the kids get time with the grandparents and everyone can go to shul. If you cook ahead of time, freeze, and just leave things out to thaw Thursday morning, you&#039;ll be fine for Shabbat without having to worry too much about cooking (or you can dress up my favorite thing EVER, thanksgiving leftovers!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you invite your inlaws to you for Shabbat? Tell them that you want it to be a &#8220;family&#8221; weekend and that its easier if you host them. That way the kids get time with the grandparents and everyone can go to shul. If you cook ahead of time, freeze, and just leave things out to thaw Thursday morning, you&#8217;ll be fine for Shabbat without having to worry too much about cooking (or you can dress up my favorite thing EVER, thanksgiving leftovers!).</p>
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