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		<title>By: Shunamit</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358845</link>
		<dc:creator>Shunamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For a long time, I advocated that BTs should be reticent in this area. OTOH, I can see a lot of value in BTS of similar orientations writing oral histories of their roots, what and who motivated them and their current hashkafic orientations. It is not just fascinating sociology and anthropology, it is very inspiring reading&quot;


True enough, Steve, but I only have one Real Self, and, like a fine scotch, if I hand it out to everybody, there won&#039;t be as much left for me and my close friends.

Seriously, having heard many people&#039;s close personal story so many times that it becomes boring, I worry not only about making my story boring to others, but especially to myself.

As the old British comedy team of Swann &amp; Flanders said of (lehavdil) unprintable words, &quot;If people use them all the time, what will they have left for special occasions?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For a long time, I advocated that BTs should be reticent in this area. OTOH, I can see a lot of value in BTS of similar orientations writing oral histories of their roots, what and who motivated them and their current hashkafic orientations. It is not just fascinating sociology and anthropology, it is very inspiring reading&#8221;</p>
<p>True enough, Steve, but I only have one Real Self, and, like a fine scotch, if I hand it out to everybody, there won&#8217;t be as much left for me and my close friends.</p>
<p>Seriously, having heard many people&#8217;s close personal story so many times that it becomes boring, I worry not only about making my story boring to others, but especially to myself.</p>
<p>As the old British comedy team of Swann &amp; Flanders said of (lehavdil) unprintable words, &#8220;If people use them all the time, what will they have left for special occasions?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Brizel</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358819</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Brizel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a long time, I advocated that BTs should be reticent in this area. OTOH, I can see a lot of value in BTS of similar orientations writing oral histories of their roots, what and who motivated them and their current hashkafic orientations. It is not just fascinating sociology and anthropology, it is very inspiring reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a long time, I advocated that BTs should be reticent in this area. OTOH, I can see a lot of value in BTS of similar orientations writing oral histories of their roots, what and who motivated them and their current hashkafic orientations. It is not just fascinating sociology and anthropology, it is very inspiring reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Mollie</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358707</link>
		<dc:creator>Mollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a newer balas teshuva ( the past 4 years), hearing the stories of others who did this before me was and still is a source of inspiration. You never know when your at a shabbos table with someone who is still undecided about their course in life. Your story might help them to see its not so scary to move towards a religious life. There are lots of questions to ask that are not so blunt. The best one that I got recently was &quot;What point in your process did you grow the most?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a newer balas teshuva ( the past 4 years), hearing the stories of others who did this before me was and still is a source of inspiration. You never know when your at a shabbos table with someone who is still undecided about their course in life. Your story might help them to see its not so scary to move towards a religious life. There are lots of questions to ask that are not so blunt. The best one that I got recently was &#8220;What point in your process did you grow the most?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tesyaa</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358584</link>
		<dc:creator>tesyaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago I was eating at a close friend&#039;s house.  A third couple was less well known to us.  My hostess (and dear friend), an FFB who has moved rightward from her MO California upbringing, asked the wife how she became frum.

&quot;I really don&#039;t remember,&quot; the woman said in her charming foreign accent.

By chance it turned out she came from a city with a small Jewish community where I happened to know a family.  When I mentioned this, she showed no interest in continuing the conversation.

From that exchange I got the feeling that there was something she didn&#039;t want to discuss.  As time went on, both I and our hostess became close friends with this woman.  I became convinced that she was a gioret, mostly from the circumspect conversation we had at that first lunch.

When her father passed away in Europe she shared her secret with me, and yes, she was a gioret.  She didn&#039;t want anyone to know because she feared discrimination against her children.

This story, which really took place over the good part of a decade, taught me not to ask baalai tshuva to share their stories.  If someone wants to share, they will share.  Otherwise, please don&#039;t inquire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I was eating at a close friend&#8217;s house.  A third couple was less well known to us.  My hostess (and dear friend), an FFB who has moved rightward from her MO California upbringing, asked the wife how she became frum.</p>
<p>&#8220;I really don&#8217;t remember,&#8221; the woman said in her charming foreign accent.</p>
<p>By chance it turned out she came from a city with a small Jewish community where I happened to know a family.  When I mentioned this, she showed no interest in continuing the conversation.</p>
<p>From that exchange I got the feeling that there was something she didn&#8217;t want to discuss.  As time went on, both I and our hostess became close friends with this woman.  I became convinced that she was a gioret, mostly from the circumspect conversation we had at that first lunch.</p>
<p>When her father passed away in Europe she shared her secret with me, and yes, she was a gioret.  She didn&#8217;t want anyone to know because she feared discrimination against her children.</p>
<p>This story, which really took place over the good part of a decade, taught me not to ask baalai tshuva to share their stories.  If someone wants to share, they will share.  Otherwise, please don&#8217;t inquire.</p>
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		<title>By: FFB</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358576</link>
		<dc:creator>FFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My sharing rarely served to bond us and bring us closer or engender greater understanding.&quot;

I hope I&#039;m not a rarity, but that&#039;s exactly what BTs and gerim sharing their story do to me, plus engendering ever greater respect for them and inspiration to attain their level of mesiras nefesh. Which is why I frequent BBT :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My sharing rarely served to bond us and bring us closer or engender greater understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not a rarity, but that&#8217;s exactly what BTs and gerim sharing their story do to me, plus engendering ever greater respect for them and inspiration to attain their level of mesiras nefesh. Which is why I frequent BBT :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about sharing &quot;war stories&quot; with other BT&#039;s?  That might be useful, depending on the situation and people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about sharing &#8220;war stories&#8221; with other BT&#8217;s?  That might be useful, depending on the situation and people.</p>
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		<title>By: YMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>YMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B&quot;H I stopped telling my story about 10 years ago.(I have been frum 34 years). 

Like other responders to this piece I found the best way for me to stop the inevitable inquiries is to turn-the-tables on would-be inquisitors and ask them a lot of  personal questions.

They either love the attention and enjoy speaking about themselves, or they get the point and the conversation will meander in a different direction. 

Here’s why telling my story was not a healthy way for me to interact with FFB society writ large: I felt used. 

FFB society is one in which there are very few socially condoned diversions/entertainment options. In addition to much desired diversion, encouraging a BT to tell his/her story provides a  “feel good” bonus that serves to reinforce an FFB&#039;s own sense of superiority &amp; good fortune in having been born an FFB.

Encouraging me to tell my story  was a callously voyeuristic experience for many FFB&#039;s. My  sharing  rarely  served  to bond us and bring us closer or engender greater understanding (my motivations for  disclosing). Many simply got their kicks from me and moved on. I was invisible now with no secrets to conceal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&#8221;H I stopped telling my story about 10 years ago.(I have been frum 34 years). </p>
<p>Like other responders to this piece I found the best way for me to stop the inevitable inquiries is to turn-the-tables on would-be inquisitors and ask them a lot of  personal questions.</p>
<p>They either love the attention and enjoy speaking about themselves, or they get the point and the conversation will meander in a different direction. </p>
<p>Here’s why telling my story was not a healthy way for me to interact with FFB society writ large: I felt used. </p>
<p>FFB society is one in which there are very few socially condoned diversions/entertainment options. In addition to much desired diversion, encouraging a BT to tell his/her story provides a  “feel good” bonus that serves to reinforce an FFB&#8217;s own sense of superiority &amp; good fortune in having been born an FFB.</p>
<p>Encouraging me to tell my story  was a callously voyeuristic experience for many FFB&#8217;s. My  sharing  rarely  served  to bond us and bring us closer or engender greater understanding (my motivations for  disclosing). Many simply got their kicks from me and moved on. I was invisible now with no secrets to conceal.</p>
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		<title>By: Shunamit</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-358194</link>
		<dc:creator>Shunamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I love speaking about my former life, how insane it was, how random it was, how out of control it could have become if not for discovering Hashem &amp; Torah&quot;--Jeff Neckonoff

I hear you, Jeff, but in my case, the fact that I&#039;m a convert and my still-beloved biological family are non-Jews, tends to silence me.  I am, however, the only one of my siblings who has never attempted suicide nor been hospitalized in a mental institution, and I was always the &quot;extreme&quot; one.

Shoshana--thanks for a clear expression of what so many of us feel.

I think I was always a stranger to the cult of mass self-revelation and &quot;over-sharing&quot; of personal experiences.  In my family, baring your soul, your psychotropic meds, or your intimate life was considered about as gauche as walking up to a stranger and starting to cut her hair.

And about this, I don&#039;t think they were so wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I love speaking about my former life, how insane it was, how random it was, how out of control it could have become if not for discovering Hashem &amp; Torah&#8221;&#8211;Jeff Neckonoff</p>
<p>I hear you, Jeff, but in my case, the fact that I&#8217;m a convert and my still-beloved biological family are non-Jews, tends to silence me.  I am, however, the only one of my siblings who has never attempted suicide nor been hospitalized in a mental institution, and I was always the &#8220;extreme&#8221; one.</p>
<p>Shoshana&#8211;thanks for a clear expression of what so many of us feel.</p>
<p>I think I was always a stranger to the cult of mass self-revelation and &#8220;over-sharing&#8221; of personal experiences.  In my family, baring your soul, your psychotropic meds, or your intimate life was considered about as gauche as walking up to a stranger and starting to cut her hair.</p>
<p>And about this, I don&#8217;t think they were so wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah bas Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-23968</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah bas Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 06:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A variation on the same theme - I&#039;m a giores.  At this point, I&#039;ve been a frum Jew for more years than I was a goy (over 20 years), but that doesn&#039;t seem to deter those who catch wind of this fact from feeling like my life story should be part of the public domain.  I relate so well to the comment &quot;I just have trouble remembering who that person was&quot;.  I hardly REMEMBER who that person was and any recollections of what motivated me to become the person I am today I fear would be tainted with a revisionist recollection so many years after the fact.  So while I am not ashamed of where I came from, it is not a topic for discussion outside of my immediate family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A variation on the same theme &#8211; I&#8217;m a giores.  At this point, I&#8217;ve been a frum Jew for more years than I was a goy (over 20 years), but that doesn&#8217;t seem to deter those who catch wind of this fact from feeling like my life story should be part of the public domain.  I relate so well to the comment &#8220;I just have trouble remembering who that person was&#8221;.  I hardly REMEMBER who that person was and any recollections of what motivated me to become the person I am today I fear would be tainted with a revisionist recollection so many years after the fact.  So while I am not ashamed of where I came from, it is not a topic for discussion outside of my immediate family.</p>
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		<title>By: Chana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Orthodox convert, I am so with you on this. I&#039;ll talk about my past with people I know and trust, but strangers? If it were to come out at a Shabbos lunch where we&#039;re both guests or something, and they started grilling me, I would probably laugh lightheartedly and say, &quot;oh, it&#039;s such a looong story...&quot; &quot;I don&#039;t want to monopolize our whole afternoon!&quot; &quot;well, I&#039;m happy where I am now, and that&#039;s more important.&quot; &quot;yes, sometimes it&#039;s hard, but you can&#039;t give up.&quot; &quot;what about you? where did you grow up?&quot; I am VERY good at deflecting questions, LOL...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Orthodox convert, I am so with you on this. I&#8217;ll talk about my past with people I know and trust, but strangers? If it were to come out at a Shabbos lunch where we&#8217;re both guests or something, and they started grilling me, I would probably laugh lightheartedly and say, &#8220;oh, it&#8217;s such a looong story&#8230;&#8221; &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to monopolize our whole afternoon!&#8221; &#8220;well, I&#8217;m happy where I am now, and that&#8217;s more important.&#8221; &#8220;yes, sometimes it&#8217;s hard, but you can&#8217;t give up.&#8221; &#8220;what about you? where did you grow up?&#8221; I am VERY good at deflecting questions, LOL&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Fleischmann</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-23173</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Fleischmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was moved and impressed by this piece. I was also impressed with the volume of intelligent responses.  I&#039;m not sure what to add except to tell you that I think I get and agree with what you&#039;re saying.  Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was moved and impressed by this piece. I was also impressed with the volume of intelligent responses.  I&#8217;m not sure what to add except to tell you that I think I get and agree with what you&#8217;re saying.  Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: Avigdor M'Bawlmawr</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-23142</link>
		<dc:creator>Avigdor M'Bawlmawr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good comments. You might want to read my neighbor&#039;s story about growing up Jewish in Montgomery, AL in the &#039;50s and &#039;60s in our local frum mag here in Baltimore. &quot;Growing Up Jewish in the Heart of Dixie.&quot; http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/read_articles.asp?id=244</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good comments. You might want to read my neighbor&#8217;s story about growing up Jewish in Montgomery, AL in the &#8217;50s and &#8217;60s in our local frum mag here in Baltimore. &#8220;Growing Up Jewish in the Heart of Dixie.&#8221; <a href="http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/read_articles.asp?id=244" rel="nofollow">http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/read_articles.asp?id=244</a></p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for feeling that one has moved on and no longer being interested in telling one&#039;s story, I am reminded of Rebbetzin Jungreis.  She takes every opportunity to speak of her past, about her early childhood in Europe and Bergen Belsen, her parents, her illustrious forbears, and her dear husband who passed away years ago.  

Perhaps some grow tired of hearing of her relate this, though apparently she never tires of telling it.  She draws strength from her past.

(granted, she is not a BT but I think the point is the same, some feel they have moved on while others feel constantly connected with their past)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for feeling that one has moved on and no longer being interested in telling one&#8217;s story, I am reminded of Rebbetzin Jungreis.  She takes every opportunity to speak of her past, about her early childhood in Europe and Bergen Belsen, her parents, her illustrious forbears, and her dear husband who passed away years ago.  </p>
<p>Perhaps some grow tired of hearing of her relate this, though apparently she never tires of telling it.  She draws strength from her past.</p>
<p>(granted, she is not a BT but I think the point is the same, some feel they have moved on while others feel constantly connected with their past)</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comment #21 Steve Brizel: As for not reminding a BT of his past, I think the Torah sources are referring to someone who cast off religious observance and then came back to it.  After all, up until very recently, the majority of the Jewish people kept the basics of Shabbos and kashrus.
This new phenemonon of &quot;tinokim sh&#039;nishbu&quot; (&quot;captive children), of people growing up without an authentic Jewish education, is another story.  That G-d placed a person in an environment without Torah and mitzvos is not their fault and they have no reason to be ashamed of that, which is why numerous BT&#039;s write and speak of their past and how they became religious.
Yes, it&#039;s an inspiration both to those who have always been religious and to those who are not yet religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comment #21 Steve Brizel: As for not reminding a BT of his past, I think the Torah sources are referring to someone who cast off religious observance and then came back to it.  After all, up until very recently, the majority of the Jewish people kept the basics of Shabbos and kashrus.<br />
This new phenemonon of &#8220;tinokim sh&#8217;nishbu&#8221; (&#8220;captive children), of people growing up without an authentic Jewish education, is another story.  That G-d placed a person in an environment without Torah and mitzvos is not their fault and they have no reason to be ashamed of that, which is why numerous BT&#8217;s write and speak of their past and how they became religious.<br />
Yes, it&#8217;s an inspiration both to those who have always been religious and to those who are not yet religious.</p>
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		<title>By: SephardiLady</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/07/01/telling-my-story/comment-page-1/#comment-22969</link>
		<dc:creator>SephardiLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Shoshana.  

In my case, I grew up in a very traditional household.  Shabbat, Yomin Tovim, Kashrut, and more were not particularily foreign ideas.  And, my parents were stricter about media than plenty of Orthodox families.  My husband, who went to day school and Yeshiva through High School, has to inform me about pop culture because I usually have no clue (!).  

I don&#039;t get asked for a story too often, but sometimes when I am asked I feel like the asker is simply fishing for juicy information, of which there is very little, (or private information I won&#039;t share anyways).  . . . 

When I do share information, the receiver seems disappointed.  I was never a drugged out, punked out, kid from a broken and disfunctional home.  While I have a broad set of life experiences and acquantiances that might entertain the person asking, I basically am a lot more like them than they expected.  And, that just isn&#039;t too exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Shoshana.  </p>
<p>In my case, I grew up in a very traditional household.  Shabbat, Yomin Tovim, Kashrut, and more were not particularily foreign ideas.  And, my parents were stricter about media than plenty of Orthodox families.  My husband, who went to day school and Yeshiva through High School, has to inform me about pop culture because I usually have no clue (!).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get asked for a story too often, but sometimes when I am asked I feel like the asker is simply fishing for juicy information, of which there is very little, (or private information I won&#8217;t share anyways).  . . . </p>
<p>When I do share information, the receiver seems disappointed.  I was never a drugged out, punked out, kid from a broken and disfunctional home.  While I have a broad set of life experiences and acquantiances that might entertain the person asking, I basically am a lot more like them than they expected.  And, that just isn&#8217;t too exciting.</p>
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