Comments on: Agudath Israel of America and me. And us. http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/ Baalei Teshuva / Baalei Teshuvah and Other Growth Oriented Jews Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:49:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: YGB http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-343238 YGB Mon, 25 May 2009 04:36:32 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-343238 Maintaining what exists, hoping for the best in the future! Maintaining what exists, hoping for the best in the future!

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-343056 Bob Miller Sun, 24 May 2009 14:39:51 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-343056 If the problem is the lack of an audience, then what is the cure? If the problem is the lack of an audience, then what is the cure?

]]> By: YGB http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-342873 YGB Sat, 23 May 2009 21:01:10 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-342873 I don't know if there's enough of an audience to make money on it, which is evidently what the Agudah wants to do. It is next to impossible to make money with the majority of Orthodox Jewish works in print. I don’t know if there’s enough of an audience to make money on it, which is evidently what the Agudah wants to do. It is next to impossible to make money with the majority of Orthodox Jewish works in print.

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-342206 Bob Miller Thu, 21 May 2009 11:38:30 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-342206 R' YGB, are you implying that there is no audience for the JO type of material anymore, at least not enough to sustain the magazine? If there is an audience demand, someone will fill it. R’ YGB, are you implying that there is no audience for the JO type of material anymore, at least not enough to sustain the magazine? If there is an audience demand, someone will fill it.

]]> By: YGB http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341942 YGB Thu, 21 May 2009 03:47:04 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341942 Y,H and M are newspapers - here today, gone tomorrow. JO's are monthlies - collected and preserved. Moreover, Y,H and M are in the business of making money. The JO was not. Newspapers do not generally print scholarship nor issue position papers. The JO printed accessible scholarship and took positions. Y,H and M will not be critical, nor report critical stories that impugn Orthodox Jewry in some way. The JO did, Y,H and M are newspapers – here today, gone tomorrow. JO’s are monthlies – collected and preserved. Moreover, Y,H and M are in the business of making money. The JO was not. Newspapers do not generally print scholarship nor issue position papers. The JO printed accessible scholarship and took positions. Y,H and M will not be critical, nor report critical stories that impugn Orthodox Jewry in some way. The JO did,

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341839 Bob Miller Wed, 20 May 2009 11:48:56 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341839 Mordechai, press releases were only one thing in my list. Above, Steve Brizel expressed part what I was trying to get at. Mordechai, press releases were only one thing in my list. Above, Steve Brizel expressed part what I was trying to get at.

]]> By: Chana Leah http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341768 Chana Leah Wed, 20 May 2009 02:22:57 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341768 The Aguda files "Friend of the Court" petitions on cases that involve Jewish interests. Recently they filed a brief in order to uphold the terms of a Jewish man's will which was written to exclude any descendents who intermarried, while the intermarried grandchildren tried to prove the stipulation was unenforceable. The Aguda files “Friend of the Court” petitions on cases that involve Jewish interests. Recently they filed a brief in order to uphold the terms of a Jewish man’s will which was written to exclude any descendents who intermarried, while the intermarried grandchildren tried to prove the stipulation was unenforceable.

]]> By: Steve Brizel http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341766 Steve Brizel Wed, 20 May 2009 02:06:31 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341766 The JO, IMO, has been supplanted by the trio of Yated, Hamodia and Mishpacha on a weekly basis, Perhaps, the Agudah realized that it could get its message out in a far more productive and proactive manner with weekly and periodic columns or interviews, as opposed to a magazine that was published periodically. The JO, IMO, has been supplanted by the trio of Yated, Hamodia and Mishpacha on a weekly basis, Perhaps, the Agudah realized that it could get its message out in a far more productive and proactive manner with weekly and periodic columns or interviews, as opposed to a magazine that was published periodically.

]]> By: Mordechai Y. Scher http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341757 Mordechai Y. Scher Wed, 20 May 2009 00:30:32 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341757 Bob, maybe you missed Rav Bechoffer's point. It seems he doesn't want to just know what dicta or pronouncements are being handed down. It seems he wants intercourse and rational public discourse of Torah and its applications. "Thought and thinking!", not press releases. A good journal, in some format, is needed for that; much as the role that Tradition serves or attempts to for the Rabbinical Council of America. Bob, maybe you missed Rav Bechoffer’s point. It seems he doesn’t want to just know what dicta or pronouncements are being handed down. It seems he wants intercourse and rational public discourse of Torah and its applications. “Thought and thinking!”, not press releases. A good journal, in some format, is needed for that; much as the role that Tradition serves or attempts to for the Rabbinical Council of America.

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341721 Bob Miller Tue, 19 May 2009 18:53:22 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341721 R' YGB, Do you believe that an organization can't create and distribute products of thought and thinking except through its own periodical? I agree that the magazine seems like the best option, but no one, evidently, has stepped up to fund its continuation. R’ YGB,
Do you believe that an organization can’t create and distribute products of thought and thinking except through its own periodical? I agree that the magazine seems like the best option, but no one, evidently, has stepped up to fund its continuation.

]]> By: YGB http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341712 YGB Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:33 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341712 Information? Word? Who cares about that? I want thought and thinking! Information? Word? Who cares about that? I want thought and thinking!

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341701 Bob Miller Tue, 19 May 2009 15:55:41 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341701 Comment #25 would be plausible if we really knew that the Agudah had no plan to continue the named informational functions by other means. In principle, the Agudah can get its word out through other existing publications, through conferences and press releases, etc. Comment #25 would be plausible if we really knew that the Agudah had no plan to continue the named informational functions by other means. In principle, the Agudah can get its word out through other existing publications, through conferences and press releases, etc.

]]> By: YGB http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-341627 YGB Tue, 19 May 2009 03:14:05 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-341627 In axing the JO, the AI has lost much of its raison d'etre. Sans the JO, they are just a shtadlanus organization. They no longer can lay claim to advancing the thought of Torah-true Yahadis, nor to boldy confronting the burning issues of the day, nor to clarifying what the Torah has to say on matters of the day and matters of eternity, nor to educating the generation. True and saddening folly. YGB In axing the JO, the AI has lost much of its raison d’etre. Sans the JO, they are just a shtadlanus organization. They no longer can lay claim to advancing the thought of Torah-true Yahadis, nor to boldy confronting the burning issues of the day, nor to clarifying what the Torah has to say on matters of the day and matters of eternity, nor to educating the generation. True and saddening folly.

YGB

]]> By: Ron Coleman http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-340439 Ron Coleman Mon, 11 May 2009 17:56:56 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-340439 You're welcome, mem! You’re welcome, mem!

]]> By: mem http://www.beyondbt.com/2009/05/07/agudath-israel-of-america-and-me-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-340367 mem Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:32 +0000 http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=1220#comment-340367 Ron, Thanks to you (everyone, really) for helping me decipher these discussions. For the record, following your advice I did purchase "Frumspeak," by Chaim Weiser. It's quite helpful, but by no means complete. So, thanks again. Ron,
Thanks to you (everyone, really) for helping me decipher these discussions. For the record, following your advice I did purchase “Frumspeak,” by Chaim Weiser. It’s quite helpful, but by no means complete. So, thanks again.

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