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		<title>By: Illana B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illana B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question for the author of this post and the commentors:

I struggle not with my emunah in Hashem, not with the belief that the Torah is truth, but with the actual laborious nature of Judaism. I personally feel bogged down by the minute mitzvos, the zman (time) constraints, the feeling like I&#039;ll turn into a pumpkin if I am late for shobbas, G-d forbid. I will never get over the annoyance of a constricting shetiel. The list goes on. I understand we are instructed to be an Ohr Legoying and Kadoshim Tih&#039;yu, but I could be that without worrying about so many of the little things. There are boundaries and then there is feeling suffocated. I try to have my emuanah and the seeing of daily nissim Hashem sends me be motivating factors, but it starting not to be. 

This might also answer the author of the &quot;Norman&quot; post where the author and a commenter are puzzled at how a person could believe in the Truth of Torah Judaism yet choose no to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question for the author of this post and the commentors:</p>
<p>I struggle not with my emunah in Hashem, not with the belief that the Torah is truth, but with the actual laborious nature of Judaism. I personally feel bogged down by the minute mitzvos, the zman (time) constraints, the feeling like I&#8217;ll turn into a pumpkin if I am late for shobbas, G-d forbid. I will never get over the annoyance of a constricting shetiel. The list goes on. I understand we are instructed to be an Ohr Legoying and Kadoshim Tih&#8217;yu, but I could be that without worrying about so many of the little things. There are boundaries and then there is feeling suffocated. I try to have my emuanah and the seeing of daily nissim Hashem sends me be motivating factors, but it starting not to be. </p>
<p>This might also answer the author of the &#8220;Norman&#8221; post where the author and a commenter are puzzled at how a person could believe in the Truth of Torah Judaism yet choose no to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: JDMDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDMDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, and thanks for all the comments so far.  Sorry I didn&#039;t get to reply earlier, things have been busy.  Anyway, Bob Miller and LC, thanks for your replies, you said it better than I could have articulated.  And DK, one thing I guess I didn&#039;t make clear is that I was talking about just for ME.  I don&#039;t presume to speak for, or to anyone else as to what they should do or how they should interpret things.  (see http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=821)  

yy - Thanks for the &quot;before and after&quot; reference, that makes a LOT of sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, and thanks for all the comments so far.  Sorry I didn&#8217;t get to reply earlier, things have been busy.  Anyway, Bob Miller and LC, thanks for your replies, you said it better than I could have articulated.  And DK, one thing I guess I didn&#8217;t make clear is that I was talking about just for ME.  I don&#8217;t presume to speak for, or to anyone else as to what they should do or how they should interpret things.  (see <a href="http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=821)" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondbt.com/?p=821)</a>  </p>
<p>yy &#8211; Thanks for the &#8220;before and after&#8221; reference, that makes a LOT of sense!</p>
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		<title>By: shorty</title>
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		<dc:creator>shorty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post touched me.  I too am trying to be more observant - you have voiced so many of my thoughts so well.  thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post touched me.  I too am trying to be more observant &#8211; you have voiced so many of my thoughts so well.  thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: LC</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2008/11/12/dealing-with-doubts-on-the-teshuva-process/comment-page-1/#comment-285564</link>
		<dc:creator>LC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK said, “If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.”

AND &#039;pushing someone to the wall&#039; and &#039;demanding&#039; is very different from an acknowledgement that the &#039;right&#039; thing is the ALL.  

There&#039;s a vast difference between &#039;not for me/I have a right to select which mitzvos *I* believe have value&#039; and &#039;I will start with X and not Y because it speaks to me but I understand ALL to be something to strive for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK said, “If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.”</p>
<p>AND &#8216;pushing someone to the wall&#8217; and &#8216;demanding&#8217; is very different from an acknowledgement that the &#8216;right&#8217; thing is the ALL.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a vast difference between &#8216;not for me/I have a right to select which mitzvos *I* believe have value&#8217; and &#8216;I will start with X and not Y because it speaks to me but I understand ALL to be something to strive for.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2008/11/12/dealing-with-doubts-on-the-teshuva-process/comment-page-1/#comment-285485</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK said, &quot;If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.&quot;

Nevertheless, all Jews will ultimately choose to do exactly that---all.  If we can help to persuade them (this is not the same as demanding), that day will come sooner.

As the Aleinu prayer details, we look for the day that the other peoples of the world will sign on, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK said, &#8220;If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevertheless, all Jews will ultimately choose to do exactly that&#8212;all.  If we can help to persuade them (this is not the same as demanding), that day will come sooner.</p>
<p>As the Aleinu prayer details, we look for the day that the other peoples of the world will sign on, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Brizel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Brizel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK-Actually, there are  famous Talmudic passages which indicates that all of the nations of the world were indeed offered the Torah and rejected it because of their objections to a critical portion of the Aseres HaDibros or their inability to fulfil a simple and relatively easy positive commandment, namely Sukkah. 

Of course, Amalek represents the negative response to that committment which one can find in the writings of all critics of Judaism from Tactitus to Hitchens. More fundamentally, wnen one examines the universalist counter response, it degenerated into such utopian nightmares as Nazism and Communism.In a real sense, Amalek represents the continued rejection of the unique combination of the universal and the particular that constitutes Torah, Halacha and Mesorah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK-Actually, there are  famous Talmudic passages which indicates that all of the nations of the world were indeed offered the Torah and rejected it because of their objections to a critical portion of the Aseres HaDibros or their inability to fulfil a simple and relatively easy positive commandment, namely Sukkah. </p>
<p>Of course, Amalek represents the negative response to that committment which one can find in the writings of all critics of Judaism from Tactitus to Hitchens. More fundamentally, wnen one examines the universalist counter response, it degenerated into such utopian nightmares as Nazism and Communism.In a real sense, Amalek represents the continued rejection of the unique combination of the universal and the particular that constitutes Torah, Halacha and Mesorah.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.beyondbt.com/2008/11/12/dealing-with-doubts-on-the-teshuva-process/comment-page-1/#comment-285075</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great post.  Doubt of the effect of mitzvos on ourselves and the world is a major factor in the current trend of adults either falling into the OTD category or issue of &quot;Timtum HaLev&quot;- a blockage/hardness of heart.
It seems the current Yetzer Hara is to forget that there&#039;s a constant battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great post.  Doubt of the effect of mitzvos on ourselves and the world is a major factor in the current trend of adults either falling into the OTD category or issue of &#8220;Timtum HaLev&#8221;- a blockage/hardness of heart.<br />
It seems the current Yetzer Hara is to forget that there&#8217;s a constant battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent! exactly what I needed today! Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent! exactly what I needed today! Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It points out that Amalek is irrational and counterintuitive.&lt;/i&gt;

On some level, Amalek is the mirror image of the Jewish mission as well, which is in its own way, also irrational and counterintuitive in the sense of a particularist relationship with an activist God. In a more universal sense, the human condition defies logic and explanation. In fact, one could argue that Amalek is responding very negatively to a leap of faith that the human condition means anything at all, to the declared mission of Israel and the negation of that special mission, or any mission at all.  The Israelite and Amalek positions represent the two extreme poles of human interpretation of why we are here. 

&lt;i&gt;And if that’s true, then the Torah as a whole shouldn’t be treated as a “Chinese Menu” (e.g. I’ll take two from column A, and 1 from column B, I don’t need anything from column C.)&lt;/i&gt;

If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.

Perhaps instead, we should allow for varying degrees of literalism that we and others attach to our respective theologies, as well as the cost of not recognizing any mission beyond our own egos and desires. While this might sound too fluffy for some, and many Orthodox frequently downplay the importance of non-Jews, I would note that the Torah does record varying responses of other nations to these questions that all of mankind face -- or at least, should be grappling with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It points out that Amalek is irrational and counterintuitive.</i></p>
<p>On some level, Amalek is the mirror image of the Jewish mission as well, which is in its own way, also irrational and counterintuitive in the sense of a particularist relationship with an activist God. In a more universal sense, the human condition defies logic and explanation. In fact, one could argue that Amalek is responding very negatively to a leap of faith that the human condition means anything at all, to the declared mission of Israel and the negation of that special mission, or any mission at all.  The Israelite and Amalek positions represent the two extreme poles of human interpretation of why we are here. </p>
<p><i>And if that’s true, then the Torah as a whole shouldn’t be treated as a “Chinese Menu” (e.g. I’ll take two from column A, and 1 from column B, I don’t need anything from column C.)</i></p>
<p>If you push the vast majority of world Jewry to the wall and demand all or nothing, you are not going to be happy with the answers.</p>
<p>Perhaps instead, we should allow for varying degrees of literalism that we and others attach to our respective theologies, as well as the cost of not recognizing any mission beyond our own egos and desires. While this might sound too fluffy for some, and many Orthodox frequently downplay the importance of non-Jews, I would note that the Torah does record varying responses of other nations to these questions that all of mankind face &#8212; or at least, should be grappling with.</p>
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		<title>By: shaona</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great message, I&#039;m sure many can relate
-
Some things that help me are remembering that every mitzvah I do brings positive spiritual energy that helps the world. And aveirahs(sins) bring damage.  We might not notice that, but it happens none the less. -  On a personal level, we have these mitzvos to help us connect to G-d.  They might become routine after a while, but that&#039;s when our new challenge comes to do it with meaning and joy again
shalom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great message, I&#8217;m sure many can relate<br />
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Some things that help me are remembering that every mitzvah I do brings positive spiritual energy that helps the world. And aveirahs(sins) bring damage.  We might not notice that, but it happens none the less. &#8211;  On a personal level, we have these mitzvos to help us connect to G-d.  They might become routine after a while, but that&#8217;s when our new challenge comes to do it with meaning and joy again<br />
shalom</p>
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		<title>By: yy</title>
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		<dc:creator>yy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice.  Thanx for the humble simplicit.  It&#039;s a battle we must all wage.  I for one can vouch that these doubts often resurface davka after one of those amazing Y. Mitzraiim experiences.

As we say in tfilla: Ha&#039;seir Satan m&#039;lifneinu u&#039;m&#039;achareinu / may the Satan be removed from before AND AFTER us.  It&#039;s referring to Mitzvos.  Before = all that stuff that keeps us from doing ratzon H&#039;. After =  those doubts that plague us once we&#039;ve begun.

One thing is sure. The Sages anticipated these conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice.  Thanx for the humble simplicit.  It&#8217;s a battle we must all wage.  I for one can vouch that these doubts often resurface davka after one of those amazing Y. Mitzraiim experiences.</p>
<p>As we say in tfilla: Ha&#8217;seir Satan m&#8217;lifneinu u&#8217;m'achareinu / may the Satan be removed from before AND AFTER us.  It&#8217;s referring to Mitzvos.  Before = all that stuff that keeps us from doing ratzon H&#8217;. After =  those doubts that plague us once we&#8217;ve begun.</p>
<p>One thing is sure. The Sages anticipated these conflicts.</p>
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